Or a persistent vegetative state.
In the United States over 1 million cases of mild traumatic brain injuries, including diffuse exonal injury, are reported each year.
Of this number over 300,000 patients suffer long-term effects from the damage. Computed toography or CT and.
And magnetic resonance imaging or MRI are tests that can be performed to check for mild traumatic brain injury.
The results of these tests usually show a normal reading. Okay. Therefore, doctor must rely on patient history and a clinical exam to diagnose mild traumatic brain injury.
Okay, so let me get out of this one.
And we'll go to another one.
So. The brain is the most complex part of the human body. This 3 pound organ is the seat of intelligence.
Database of memories. Okay. I'm going to interpreter of the census. And the director of all movement.
Okay, so there it is. Lying in its bony shell. Okay, so there are other places.
Let's see on our website, traum, bridging the gap under Helpers Corner, we have Concussion Care Studio by Michelle Gon.
And. That's just off of our main. Page, you go to Helper's Corner.
And then you scroll down to. Concussion Care Studio and she has
Let's see. There's. There's our helpers. Michelle is Concussion Care Studio at gmail.
Dot com. So if you want to get in touch with her. Go ahead and write down concussion care studio at gmail.
Dot com.
She, I just talked to her this week and she'd be happy to hear from you if you have questions for her.
This is her website.
This is her story.
When she was 15 years old attending her 1st year of high school I experienced the trauma and horror of head-on motor vehicle accident on a highway.
There was nothing unusual about the day or the circumstances of that day other than the mood was extra light because everyone was getting ready for the holidays.
It was December 23rd 2 days before Christmas and the last day of school for that calendar year. Like most days when school was out, people hitched rides from friends so they didn't have to take the big yellow bus home.
Yeah.
In the rural communities and from. Although I grew up in a small town called Millet, I attended high school and whatever city and that was where they were heading from on that fateful day.
Go ahead and go to her website to get more of her story. I also want to take you to pink concussions.
This is focusing on female brain injury from sports, violence, military service. Catherine Price.
Senecdote, I'm gonna, I'm stumbling over words today.
It must be the weather. But she is a founder of paint concussions and earned her master's in social work from Fordham University.
She 1st got involved in discussions from our sons. Soccer and then realized that she had herself suffered a concussion.
And then we saw the video and now I'm going to.
Okay, I'm going to quit sharing if I figure out how to get that back in grid sharing.
Well, you're not sharing with us. We can't see your screen.
No.
Oh, you can't see my screen. Okay, well, okay, let me go back to Zoom.
There you are. Okay, so, What? Let me see if I quick do one of these.
Okay, can you see now?
Now you're sharing, yes.
Okay, now I want to go back to I don't know how to get to that line.
There they are. Okay, so what a quick one to do is. There's, Catherine on paint concussions.
Pinkcussions.com and Katherine. Is amazing at what she's grown after realizing her son was in a soccer.
Concussion state and then realize she had her own concussions. Okay. And then this is our Michelle Goins.
Website that I was reading from where she was in high school and had a car crash that initiated her experience.
Okay. And that's concussion care studio.com. Okay, knowing it to stop sharing and we can go back to some discussion amongst ourselves again.
Okay. So any discussion before I say anything more about the video was that What the most thing I want to say is, if you're getting new information, cause even though I don't see everybody's face, a show of hand.
Was that new information?
Okay, are you aware that you can get a concussion from a non-direct hit to the head?
A body slam can give you a concussion.
Okay, the reason being that as you could see when they showed that A body slam can cause the head to jiggle in that.
Liquid environment that the brain is sitting in does that make sense because what's going on is that the the brain is moving inside the skull.
And it's that jiggling inside the skull. They can cause concussion.
So now that you have a visual of it, does that help to understand?
Okay.
Yes, yes it does. Hey, I. I thought that was a very good.
Presentation of the science behind it. Now the interesting part is like I was walking across the street and I was thrown in the air and crashed on the pavement.
Right.
But I had a fractured skull as well. I don't think they really talked about that in there, did they?
Well, this was more, they really didn't go into a crack, a fractured skull or those.
Right.
This was to show that. Yeah, you had more injuries than what we were just talking about concussion itself in a closed head.
And I, wanna talk about some of the things that are going on in chat as well, but, yeah, so, what we're talking about is just what goes on inside the skull.
For right now, but when you start compounding it, as we said earlier in discussion, that you know, if somebody understands that, okay, so you're going along in your day and you're already living with a TBI and then you know, the electricity goes out.
Or like clay, you get moved out of your home into a hotel. That count pounds things
Yeah.
Then we're looking at, okay, I wanna address what Brianna brought up. And that is that.
She was amazed that a CT and MRI don't show so dot what's going on.
So doctors have to, okay, the best OTI had in the beginning and this is a by 4 years ago now.
Okay.
She was explaining to me that What she was learning about my specific, if you've seen one brain injury, you've seen one brain injury, therefore all recoveries are different.
Yeah.
Thank you.
What applies to you is not what applies to, for recovery. So it's all gonna be different.
Alright.
So the best therapist you have are the ones that are gonna pay attention to how you're reacting to the world.
Yep.
Our symptoms are different than my symptoms. Okay, so yeah, a CT scan is gonna show so much and MRI is going to show that much more.
My granddaughter was in a car crash. I asked them to please don't stop with a CT.
Make sure she gets an MRI. They didn't. They did. Only a CT.
She was complaining about migraines and other problems with her head. 5 and a half months after the accident.
They did an MRI and it showed she did too have a brain bleed that did not show on a CT.
No.
It showed on the MRI. What difficult, why she was having so much difficulty. This is why if it's that kind of a an injury, you need the other test.
Okay, so that's what we're talking about. And, and yeah, Brianna, it's, it's amazing.
It depends where you are. What kind of training they've had, how much experience they've had with head injury.
Okay.
I think Christian will agree with that, right?
He's had a stroke. I was in a car crash. 2 different things. And yet, He, when he goes along with me and talks to the different.
Therapists I've seen. He's he's learning stuff that he wishes he'd been told earlier on and he's 6 months post I'm 24 years post So it's pretty fast.
Yeah.
What what we're coming up with here. Let me check here. Yes. And a functional MRI is going to show even more, Renee.
Thank you for bringing that up. Yes, Renee, yeah, just whip in your head.
Yes, and, and that's kind of what they were, were showing there. You're right.
You're welcome.
Hmm.
I.
Doesn't have to. An impact. Okay, thank you. I'm sorry, what?
What's the functional MRI?
Regular or is it something
Yeah, it's it's a tip. Go ahead.
Is more being built is more detailed and it shows And that the brain reaches more in death so they could see.
Mor the deficiencies in it is more detailed in that's the best, you know, it shows more, more detail the brain regions affect the.
Actually, this is a
Thank you.
Hey, they have you, they have you, do things. You know, when you're in the MRI, they have you do things to see how the brain.
Hi, Sunny.
And it'll show any damage. Don't ask ask you things. You're. That's why it's called.
Well, the functional MRI is a. It's actually Functional MRI is actually the brain in action.
Showing the activity of the brain. And where the brain is Just Kenny, by the way. Hi everyone.
Okay.
It's it's showing the activity of the brain where the brain is functioning and where it's not functioning as much.
To see where the blood flow is happening and where different like you were saying different activities affect the brain. And how your brain is actually functioning.
That's why it's called functional MRI.
Yeah.
Penny, how would one ask a doctor for that? What if they don't offer that?
What you do?
And ask a doctor for that. What if they don't offer that? And I, for years, he needs something like that.
Thank you.
What you do is you talk to your you ask your Primary doctor for a, to see a neurologist.
Or a neurosurgeon, they're the ones that either know in your area if you have that available and there's another test that Christian and I have spoken about on here that goes beyond the functional MRI.
What's that?
Well.
Okay.
Yeah.
They're, so it's a machine, a particular machine that the hospital has to have. And they, do have one by K in Utah and Provo at the cognitive FX facility.
So that's what I know.
Is anyone from Ohio?
Okay, I'll tell you if you'd email me, I will give you who has it in Ohio.
Okay.
Okay, yeah, my son needs that really bad. He's suffering. I gotta get him on these calls.
He just he has these episodes where his whole body goes limp. And he can't move and it's just It's terrifying.
Okay, well I've had some hands up I wanna get to Holly but go ahead and email me and I'll give you some specifics for where in Ohio you can get the help.
Alright, thank you.
Okay, Isaac, hi.
Hi everybody. Good to see everybody. Hope everybody's having a good day. Yeah, this stuff is, this stuff is fascinating.
So I was in a motorcycle accident. And I I have seen a, a brain bleed.
And, my recovery, both. Pretty fast, you know I I felt symptoms like. My girlfriend had a favorite and I had the money on my debit card.
She wanted the PIN number and I couldn't remember it. And I was just, I think I was in denial.
I was just like, well, I'm on medicine. I, I can't remember it.
And remembering it. I had to ask somebody what the PIN number was actually so I didn't remember it but So long story short is that I went on my life and.
May it will be 3 years, but. So I'm functioning, I'm actually, I work new construction and I do.
Pretty. I work at the electrician, so. Kind of complicated, you know, and Wow.
So when I got this DI. I got a DI with this. How was drunk when I crashed my motorcycle.
And instead of yellow time, I'm in the court program. It's a DUI program.
Supposed to be a year. And it's really, unforgiving. You have to remember like you have to call every day, test.
You have to go to court every Tuesday. So this Friday. I was supposed to pee test.
And,
I, my phone, I use it my phone and it needs internet. That try to call but my internet wasn't So I was like, okay, I'm gonna remember to have to call back.
But I went on with my day because I was tasked to do things that work and I was at work and I tried to call to see if I had a pizza.
But I went on with my day. And I look at my call log and I see that I called, but.
I forgot that it wasn't connected to the internet, so I checked it off that I called. I got informed that I missed the detest so Like it's, it's unforgiving.
So today I go to court and I'm gonna have to be I have to do 3 days in jail.
Because I forgot. So.
Is this a reminder that
Hey, but if you have, do you have paperwork for, for your accident? You did have, you know, Do you have people for that?
You should be able to take that along because you had a And I red event TBI.
Can you take that on? And they could give you some. Like leeway or because
Yeah
Yeah, show proof. You know, you don't help.
Yeah, you got it. Yeah, that you had accident and what not.
Bye.
Well, whether What they're referring to is that if you have a TBI, you have memory issues.
Yeah.
And you're dealing with some other other things and it's not necessarily that there will be leniency but at least you can fill in the gaps of what what's going on in your life.
Yeah, so yeah, and on top of that is I was supposed to There's 4 phases and I'm in phase 4 and I'm.
We're supposed to graduate out of this program. Actually months ago, but this has happened to me before where I where I forget that the p test and I'm trying my best but I.
I haven't been using, I don't, I haven't been drinking, so that's not the issue.
I'll forget or I'll think. Or it will blend in because I it will blend in I'll be like oh all mistake like today for 2 days before I'll say oh I Yeah, a pizza.
I called and then. Then a couple of days later, I'll It will come back to me going, wait, I would confused that for the previous day.
But, on top of this that you can't have any violations within on the last phase.
I'm in the last phase of this program. For 45 days. I'll I'm supposed to graduate in 30 days.
But since I got since I got this violation on Friday, I'm not gonna be able to graduate until July 16th now.
And I was supposed to graduate in May, 28. So I have to be in it for another couple months.
Bye.
I think it sounds like you're having some problems with memory issues. I wonder if you're using a calendar and if you're using some of the strategies and tools that Christians put in a thumbs up that we have taught in here.
And if not, then I would say look at Helper's quarter on TBI bridge. Calm and and Chris is.
Email is on there. And get in touch with Chris about some of the strategies that we use for memory.
Okay, yeah
If not Chris, if you want to put your email in the in the chat, can you see the chat Isaac?
Yeah
Okay, Chris maybe we'll share, his, email on there and you can get in touch with him about some of the things that might help you with that memory issue so that you don't keep getting extended.
Graduate out of the program and it sounds like you're ready to accept you need some some strategies for how to deal with those memory issues.
Is that okay?
Yeah, exactly. Oh, thank you. I hope everybody has a good week.
Okay.
Well, you too. Hope it, get, get squared away for you, cause it's,
It's time, right?
Yeah, yeah, definitely I have Friday I was just I totally was like okay I gotta task myself to get what needs to be done at work and then I got my kids and then grocery shopping and I went on with my day thinking that I was good, but I then.
It just came back to me like I go, wait, I did call. But my, wasn't connected so I told myself, okay, I need a call later, but I forgot.
Yes.
Yup, yup. And Rhianna and Chat is agreeing. She says that's normal.
She says Isaac, I sometimes forget words, normal words for everyday things. I have to describe stuff to people to get the correct words, normal words for everyday things.
I have to describe stuff to people to get the correct word out. Would be a word like newspaper, no joke.
And she's sorry for your you're having to go through that.
Thank you. Yeah.
Any brother I wanted to say brother a lot of us are going through have the symptoms you have Rosa again a lot of us are experiencing experience for you experience bro so I know it was here.
That's allad the same things. We're doing a lot a lot of us do the same things that you do.
If I didn't have a calendar
Oh.
It kind of just a huge step that helps us a huge tool.
Yeah, I have a calendar and have alarm set so I did try to call. But what was scaring what scared me is that I actually thought the call went through and then it just came back to me that wait.
The call didn't go through and I Compused it for that I that the calling through a couple of days ago and I had Yeah, I had didn't have the pee test and then it just came back to me after wait and then I need to explain to them and then it feels like I'm not ashamed but like the gonna think that I'm lying, you know?
Yeah.
And it's like, I'm not lying. Okay.
Well, and this is a silly thing, Isaac, but I'm going to share this with you because if I do that same thing where I think, okay, I'm on my, I'm on my list, I'm on my track and I made a phone call, but it didn't go through, I didn't have the conversation, but in my mind I did because I made the call and all
that stuff. And I went ahead and write the phone number on my hand right across my my finger right here because it's staring at me all the time because that finger stares at me.
So I go ahead and write that phone number across there or a time that I'm supposed to go do something.
And I know it's silly, but When my accident happened there was a movie called Memento.
Yeah.
And the guy in the movie was writing things that he could trust or tattooing on his body, people he could trust.
I don't tattoo everybody on my. And, but I will write the next thing that I have to redo.
Because I think it's done, but it's not. So I don't know if that's a help or just a visual that you can use to say, okay, I didn't get it done.
But sometimes we have to have something. My, my brain surgeon taught me that Sometimes you have to do something a little wacky in order to have it re-imprint a memory for you or something new to do or something you won't forget to do.
So I'm just gonna tell you that yes I do write on my hand sometimes to remember to do something again.
Because I, off in my head.
Yeah. So yeah, that's helpful. I've been noticing like, well, I hit my head on the front of right here, you know, and it Sometimes I feel like it's like some pressure.
So I think on and it's been 3 years and I haven't really had got a check like a back checkup for it so And I've been noticing like that I.
Like get really forgetful sometimes. Like even at work, I'll catch myself, but I'll be on a lateral.
Like the white wire to the black wire which is visual is right in front of me so I see I go I register it going wait that's not supposed to go like that so I fix it right away but my brain should, I should know like when I grab the white wire and I'm looking at the black line, I'll start putting the wire in it to the black and white and that didn't go like that.
And then I go, oh my god. Like redo it but It's like a best visual so I can see that I'm making a mistake, but.
Before before I even make that mistake I'm I'm putting it I'm putting that the white wire to the black wire.
Yeah, and and that's it. That's something that that a couple of my PT and OT therapist taught me early on was to constantly scan when you think you're done.
Yeah
You're not until you take a good look at what you've just done. So it became a habit and I think we have to teach ourselves different habits than we might have done before.
So a habit is if you think you're done, you're not until you really looked at what you did.
Right. Okay.
Cause I like doing you're really on task to getting the thing done and you're at your work.
You got a really High power job, gotta be right.
Friday I beat my personal best I hung 53 lights Any of my boss was probably expecting me to do like 30 so I did like a lot more than he wanted.
Okay.
You're doing good. You're doing great. Thanks for sharing that with us. That's really good topics.
Thank you. Everybody have a good day. I have to.
Thank you.
You too. Thanks for being here. Okay, let's see. Shelley Sand is up and then Brian.
Okay.
Shelley, you have to unmute.
Thanks, sorry. I'm going back to the MRIs. So.
Once doesn't it make sense? That if. A doctor. Like a neurologist.
Looks at in MRI. From when someone initially had. There Sorry about the parking.
And then. Compares that MRI. To.
Another one that's done. Like a couple of years later once they're.
Once he or she. See a difference?
Or does it just? The depends on things. I don't know.
Well, I'm not gonna second guess a doctor.
So if you're talking about whether they've done that for you or whether it shows a difference or they've conveyed that to you or not.
That's for your discussion with your doctor.
Okay.
Alright, excellent. Sorry, I can't. I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, I will that's alright. You have to have those discussions with your doctor if you, if it's been years and you want them to compare the results of them.
I mean, that's that's a technical thing that I don't really, you know, get into.
The reason that you you saw the video today was just to give, we're visual people now that we've had a brain change.
I think as you all responded was that seeing that video helped you to be to have a visual of what's gone on.
It showed the sections of the brain and what they were about. And so if you had a stroke in a certain part of the brain, you got a picture of that today.
If you. Had a we're told that a certain part of the brain is where memory is.
Now you know where that part of the brain is that was affected. And we can go back over that.
We've often. Showed parts of the brain and where it's been affected and stuff like that.
And we've got 2 professionals coming up. We've got a psychologist. His focus is on brain and we've got an optometrist who focuses on brain coming up in the next 2 months and they will you know respond to those areas of the brain and what happens too so let's see, Brian has had his hand up for a while.
Let's see what he has to say.
Real quick. Not related to the subject. For a They seem like and is the world.
Has changed the way. They do disabilities. And no one with the TBI or Is John considered disabled?
Because there's not visually disabled. So if you have an arm or leg gun, you're good.
But, Hey, this just.
Wow. That's disappointing.
Yeah. Just a little bit.
Is that?
But what was that at Brian? And what they don't because they don't view that as a disability.
He's in man and is the world.
Yeah. Okay.
Oh. This is shame. Do you have no idea?
Yeah. But. Man, Hey, Recognizing more than they used to.
Yeah.
Well, they're heading in the right direction. Not so much.
Oh.
Yep.
Wow, that's disappointing, huh? Because the rest of the world is is more and more aware.
Okay. Yeah.
Well, because, right, and sweetie, you know, it does come down to the topic more in more circles, more areas is about mental health and the miss.
Of not accepting the fact that mental health is important. For whatever reason that people are not understanding and not accepting the fact that veterans coming home with TBIs.
Yeah.
You know, in so many circles we have. Issues that Reflect back on the point.
That were not all. Having brains that function. In the way that they were necessarily built to do. An aging society, which we are.
Our society is aging. And so that is another reason that brains are a little slower to process.
And need to take the time to grasp. What's going on in order to not have mistakes happen.
And to have better communication. Better understanding. From one person to the next. And from one group to the next.
Between the government and the people. So, wow, that's that's a lot. Thanks for mentioning that, Brian.
Welcome.
Hmm.
So we're getting some discussion in. Chat too. Let's see.
Yeah, Tally saying that. With her son, people don't understand. Disabilities and
And what's going on. And we've got a couple folks that are off to school and experiencing that changes in going off to school.
So that's amazing. It's just amazing how everybody's changing and doing so many different things.
And and I hope when Andrew gets home and is home on a Tuesday from school, tell us what's going on with his experience too.
Okay, well, as usual, our meetings. Have a lot going on and a lot of discussion going on and a lot of, Carol left because their spoons right now are gone.
But she enjoyed the the discussion as well. So and if you We haven't been around to understand what spoons mean it's the it's our lupus friend who described to her friends when she did finally acquiesce and go out to.
Lunch with them that she grabbed a bunch of spoons and she said, okay. It takes this many spoons just to get ready to go out.
To lunch with you guys. And she set down 3 spoons. She said, just being here and the noise in the restaurant and the noise of your chatter and trying to decide what to have to eat for lunch.
Takes more spoons. She put down another. 4 spoons. And then eating and the discussion during eating was taking more spons.
By the time they had dessert, she had. One spoon left and they're all getting ready to go shopping.
And she said, I have one spoon left to get me home so I can take a nap.
I'm not going shopping. And they looked at her and said, oh my gosh, this is the 1st time we understand why it is that with your diagnosis of lupus.
That you just can't keep up with us. But we understand now that your energy level decreases so rapidly because of what you're dealing with.
So that's what it means when we say we're low on spoons. Our energy level.
Can be gone so quickly. With whatever our brain change. Or the weather, barometric pressure. Can change us.
Can lower our how many activities we can fit in. Kirk, what you got on your mind?
Well, I think it's kind of funny that all of us in this TBI group that we all know what's going on, we all understand what's going on.
And the people that we know and love. That have never had a TBI have no freaking clue.
On how. Things have changed. We understand it. But everyone else goes.
Oh, you're fine. You're fine. You're fine. It's like.
No, I'm not, but that's okay. I'll try to keep going on forward.
I didn't understand.
But. It's the whole. View that people have that and never had these type of injuries.
That we have changed and things have changed with us. Alright, folks on the other side, you guys are all the smart ones and tell us what to do and how to do it all the time, but you have no clue on what it's like to have.
A brain injury. And we do, but of course we can't be believed because, well, you hurt yourself.
Sorry. Just.
That's why it's important to have this. Community, the support group because we understand each other and Like the study show when we're around each other.
We're aware of each other, our energies are, and like I, when I'm around my TBI family, I'm like, I am.
I'm always asking, how your spoons? How you doing? Should we take a break? We gotta take a break.
Let's take a, let's take a quick break here. Let's, you know, I'm saying we, around almost each other is really helpful to be around each other because We are aware of each other's energies could plummet at any moment, you know And just and then.
If you're driving somewhere, just being in traffic for a little while could take your all your spoons.
Yes.
As I just recently learned. But just things take energy more than other things.
Yes, and being with this group. I use a lot less phones because I can talk to people actually understand.
And I think it's kind of weird that the people that Are there to try to help me out?
Have no clue on what it's like. And they keep coming up with all this and this and this and this like.
That's not really what's happening. But okay, I'll try to roll with it.
Yeah, yeah, thank you guys for bringing that up and discussing it that way. Cause I think it helps all of us to hear that that way.
In chat they're asking for the video of the concussion that I showed earlier. And I will send that out, but I believe if you it's on YouTube and it's nucleus medical.
Media put it out. And it's old. It's from 2,012, but it's still significant.
Of course, there's more updated information that we add to it during our. But I will try and send it out to you or if you email me that you want to want that information I will I will send it out to you or if you email me that you want to want that information I will I will send it because I think that's too general but .
N. Us medical media. Is where I got it from on YouTube. Chris, would, would you have to say?
No, I just wanted to say that I just I feel Kirk a lot and I will bring this up because Because I get that a lot.
I work part-time and I'm driving like a walk so I hear this a lot. I hear this a million times a week.
Hey, you're, you're cured. You're fine. On a okay and I and now I'm already to the point where I just Kind of just, I just ignore it now.
But, for example, I'm, I'm gonna go to Redlands today, which is like only a 30 min drive from my house.
I get out there, I do what I got, you know, I do, I'm gonna go to read books and and then I I have to take a nap before I come home.
So this is how normal normal I am. Right? So these steps that we got to do now in our lives now is so.
I really feel quick and I hear this stuff every week. Cause I'm working part time and.
I'm, I'm driving so I'm cured according to these people. So that's why it's important to become, to have a support group and have a community.
Here, I like us right here. So I just wanted to say that. Thank you.
Well, and that's that's a cool thing too. I mean I had a lot of help along the way as far as wondering when was I ready to drive?
When was I ready to go back to school? You know, what were the indicators for these things?
And it was really helpful to have people that that I could try to know when those times were indicated that I had enough spoons or enough.
Of the knowledge to do those things as well so that's it's so cool to have you know this going for us as well but yeah, if you want me to send you the video, I'd rather not send it to the whole email list, cause Cause not, I don't like to bombard people with those, but if you want it, then email me and I'll send it to you.
See what I do. And then, Let's see, rain just second.
Let me see if there's something in the. Chat that I need to respond to and Kenny I want to thank you too for having the words because my vocabulary was lost I couldn't define the but the functional MRI is a step up from the MRI because it does show activity and it's so colorful and it's so colorful and pretty.
We'll have to show some pictures of what those look like since we've already shown the pictures of the.
Concussion happening.
I appreciate it.
My pleasure. It just it provides it provides a whole different set of information. And some neurologists.
Don't feel it's necessary. Some do. So it really depends on who you're being treated by.
But it's something to look into for sure.
Yeah, and there's only 6 places in the country that have the next level, testing that, and that's what Christian and I were working on the other day.
Was, you know, where's the closest one for any of us because that is so new that it's not even your doctors won't even know it's available yet because it's cutting edge stuff and it it shows
What is that? What is that telling them that we're thinking about? So it's telling them that we're thinking about?
So it's like, this is science fiction, but we're glad that they're studying these things so that it will become the next level because then those folks that are just saying, oh, you're fine, a couple of aspirin go home and rest should be good in a few days.
No, those folks won't exist anymore. They'll have more education on and more, of this science on their,
By the way, Dr. Min, at least when I was there, he didn't do, and, he didn't really
Recommend functional MRIs. And we didn't do one. I didn't do a functional MRI when I was being treated there.
But my research says that. I would have liked to have done that and then with someone who actually uses that.
Type of information. I do know cognitive effects like. Someone mentioned before. Sorry, I don't recall who.
Does that in Utah? And they base a lot of their treatments on the information provided in that particular.
Data that functional, the functional MRI.
Yeah, kind of to fix in Utah and here in Pomona we have it available and.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it, it is. Yeah, there is cognitive FX. And and here in Pomona so so like like I say if it's something you're interested in just email me and I can tell in your locale where it is.
Okay, Brain, what you got?
Going back to, what Christian said. Oh. You know, and also what Kirk said.
The they tell you Here's what my doctors told me after I had the grade surgery. This is, well, you're still alive.
You survived. Now go away, don't bother us anymore.
And so I didn't get any help whatsoever until Celeste came to the school where I was trying to take some classes.
To get my life back in shape. I thought, okay, and this. This this group has been such a big help to me.
And you know, I still have some of the same memory issues. You know, I still have some PTSD.
Hangover that Nightmares that don't go away. But I'm much better off than I was.
Hmm.
So I love this group. Thank you.
Yeah.
And we wouldn't know unless we, you know, talk to each other what's available out there and how close is it.
And, Like during the pandemic, Dr. Steffi, who's in Covina, California, had people coming in from all over.
In order to get some of the treatments that he offers because he and he did the side-eye to Christian and I when we were in his office saying there's an that isn't studying the stuff I'm studying.
It's a mistake because the vision is not just about being 2,020. It's about how the brain interprets.
What it's getting through the eyes.
So he's amazing to listen to. He's gonna be here on, wait a minute, I've got it written down because I was telling the wrong date.
June 11, th Dr. Steffi is going to be here. And May 14, th Angela, YI, YI is going to be here.
She's a clinical psychologist. Who goes to conferences and her specialty is traumatic brain injury.
And she was, a graduate.
At Mount Sinai when things were being developed like.
Emrag. And that's how to deal with the roller coaster of emotions, for instance, that happen with after.
Stroke PTSD, car crash. Concussion. Brain surgery.
So she's amazing speaker.
What day is Angela coming again?
May 14.th
Okay, I put this down so I'll get it down to my calendar. Make sure I don't miss that meeting.
And. I would give those dates to you backwards, sorry. May comes before June most times.
I just didn't write fast enough. I've got it now. Thank you.
Cause I pushed the send button before I put the calendar. You know, speakers coming in in the email this time.
So it was like, CLASS, there was something more you're supposed to add. I know, but I didn't do it.
Celeste has a lot of discussions with herself. It's that thing that my psychologist at the time back 20 years ago was saying don't talk like that out there.
They'll put a straight jacket on you and now Joe both a Taylor's book. Bull Brain Living talks about the 4 characters in everybody's brain.
I was just before my time. Oh yes, Clay, we giggle about it all the time.
Oh dear, anyway. Is what it is guys, you know, we're fine. The rest of the world is a little cuckoo.
But we're working on it.
Yes.
Indeed, making the rest of the world cuckoo, right? Our way. Okay. All right.
Well, I think we'll wrap up here and if you have questions left over from today, write them down.
Send him to me. That way we'll we'll catch up with them. And this has been a great discussion.
I'm glad we brought up some of these things that and I was able to bring in some video that.
According to some of you, it was, it was helpful to have a visual of some of the things we've only been.
Mentioning and we will be able to do that in the future and and our speakers coming up are really dynamite, especially because they've done so much self-education and continued education on the subject.
That they're experts in as well as brain.
So we're looking forward to that. Okay, so get settled in your seat, bring your shoulders back down to where they belong.
Not up by your ears. Ha, breath out. What a day, huh? And be well everybody.
Look for those random acts of kindness. Bring him back to us, bring your stories and how things are going with you.
Oh.
Be well, Clay and and enjoy. Different kind of living until you get moved back home. Alright everybody, be well.
We'll see you next time.
Thank you.
Hi Krista.